17 AUGUST 2009 -- PHOENIX, AZ: Geoff Turley (CQ) from Mesa, and Lisbeth Applefield, (CQ) from Scottsdale, discuss the merits of the Obama healthcare reform proposals. Turley, a strict constitutionalist, is opposed to government supported healthcare on constitutional grounds. Applefield supports healthcare reform. About 5,000 people were expected to demonstrate in favor of President Obama's health care proposals. Nearly 1,500 showed up to demonstrate against the President. PHOTO BY JACK KURTZ